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| Updates+ | NOTICE!!! I was working on a comment script and unfortunately lost the last week's comments (anything since the 12th). On the plus side, we got back a lot of old comments that were truncated by the switch to the database backend. In better news, made some progress on the site this evening. The following updates have actually gone from idle wishes to operational features: * Added support for Mythic Rares. They now work correctly in terms of sorting, searching, and set icon displayed. * Consolidate everything into one searchable, sortable spoiler that can be viewed in any combination of ways: summary, full spoiler, visual, or comments. * Make textcards and renders simultaneously viewable on each individual card's page. * Add each card's name to the title bar of its individual page. * Added a preliminary favicon to the site. It doesn't look like much when it's all summed up, but it took an evening and I'm happy with the results. Still to come: Wishlist: * Update searching to allow boolean logic and multiple terms. * Add the ability to search on comment timestamps. * Make the sort interface easier/cooler. * Save last visit timestamp so that you can easily see comments that have been made since then. * Allow login. * Possibly revamp comments to be more like "posts" by users. * Add a discussion page, like a giant whiteboard. * Add a way to create a blank "design" spoiler that can be used to create a set. |
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| Gerold, of Glaudsen's Blood |
What if we gave this shroud or protection in place of first strike, so that we can give first strike to Warrior of Tax/Spellbane Myrmidon? ---Seeonee Pro black? Pro red? Preferably not both... ---Dragoon Damn just looked at the art, that griffin is fierce. He *looks* like he has first strike. I think white hates red more than black in this set, but there is already the Sunfeather guy that gets pro red. Is Awe too lame as a replacement? ---Gerrard's Mom Awe would have decent synergy, since he has vigilance to both attack and block. However, leaving him with first strike isn't too much of an issue; there are plenty of precedents for WW 2/2 creatures that *don't* have first strike. Even knights (of the Holy Nimbus). ---Seeonee I'm fine with whatever. ---Dragoon This card is in serious need of good flavor text. I think first strike and awe fit better on this card than the vigilance part. However, the art doesn't fit then. The griffin (is it really a griffin) sits rather still, which suggest it to be watching. That would fit vigilance better. I think it's fine as is. - flappy Personally, I don't like the art, but that's just me. On the abilities issue, I'd rather it had Awe, as it's legendary. - Lorgalis "When we first marched, I saw it as a benevolent guardian, strident and noble against the shining spears of our legions. Since then I have seen what it does to our enemy, how it screams and rends at them with claws like dead taloned steel... and now I fear that it watches me at night." - Dyacles, Kaemirian lancer ---Ikeda Quite awesome. Does all that fit in a textbox? ---Seeonee Nice, Ikeda, but why "against...our legion?" Not "above" or something? ---Gerrard's Mom There are better ways to word it, I think. It doesn't fit in a text box, but we can remove some of the adjectives to make it fit: "Once I saw it as a herald, screaming victory before the men of our legion. Since then I have seen what it does to our enemy, how it clutches and tears at them with claws like vicious steel... and now I fear that it watches me at night." -Dyacles, Kaemirian lancer ---Ikeda "Once I saw it as a herald, screaming our victory before us. Since then I�¢ï¿½ï¿½ve seen what it does to our enemies, how it rends and steals the marrow from their useless bones... I can�¢ï¿½ï¿½t sleep, knowing it watches over me at night."-Dyacles, Kaemirian lancer Okay variant? I'm a bit dubious on some of my changes, but I wanted to make it ring true for Dyacles less-than-noble voice, as seen on cards like Enlist. ---Seeonee Any chance we can fit in "...and now I can't sleep..."? Dramatic progression and all. ---Ikeda Done. ---Seeonee Baneslalyer Angel makes me think this guy neesd an upgrade. At least +1/+1. Maybe he could have another (weak) ability like "Gerold may block an additional creature". ---zu |
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| Pleasure Garden |
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| Sunken City of Avelion |
This has been changed to grandcast Night's Whisper. ---Alabran What if it said something like, "Discard another card named ~: You draw X cards and lose X life where X equals the amount of damage you took this turn." ---DDH I really like this as is. Very nice. ---Dragoon Room for flavor. ---Seeonee How many secrets are worth dying for? ---Gerrard's Mom If flavor doesn't fit very well on the other cards in the cycle, I would consider leaving it off here. ---Gerrard's Mom Not all cards in a cycle have to have/lack flavortext. This one's fine, even if others miss out. ---Seeonee This card is über-broken. I think this is a four-of in every blue or black deck. ---zu |
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| Mythbound Cornucopia |
I never noticed this card until now. Nice. Should it be reworded so it fits Reki, the History of Kamigawa? (Yay for knowledge of obscure cards ;)) --- zu Well, if it remains worded as-is it'll let you trigger it off your legendary dual lands, which Reki doesn't pay attention to. ---Seeonee Oh, right. Better leave it as it is. --- zu I can play the biwa (instrument that Reki is holding)! Um, ahem. ---Gerrard's Mom Ouch! The art is wrong here. Cornucopia is generally a horn that produces all kinds of food and riches. I'll try to find a suitable art. Also, it could use some flavour text... ---Lorgalis Heh, I was thinking the same thing... ---Dragoon Just posted 3 different arts for this card on the flavour thread. I'll leave the flavour text to the flavour masters here though.... ---Lorgalis Ha my bad, for some reason I initially thought it was a book and never updated my conception. ---Seeonee This could use some flavour text too. Maybe something along the lines of: "The peasant reluctantly accepted the horn/gift from the Emperor as payment for shelter for that night. The next day, he awakened only to realize he had been paid dearly" ---Lorgalis Who said that? "Pay dearly" usually means that something bad happened, is that the intended meaning? And why does the emperor stay with peasants? It seems more like something that should stay in a place where lots of legends hang out, like Kaemir city. Another note, can we change this to "you may draw?" ---Gerrard's Mom I believe that the intended meaning was something closer to "Offer help to those who need assistance, and they shall pay you well." We can build on this, I think... I just wish we knew who offered the original suggestion. ---Ikeda It was me who proposed the flavour text. I'm not native speaker, so I usually stay away from it. My intention was that the peasant was more than well paid for hosting the emperor, as he received the Cornucopia (wich is an unending source of wealth and food...). Also, I worded this card as a must draw (like the obvious inspiration Horn of Greed), but I'm fine with it being "you may draw". ---Lorgalis Battlefield. Also, why not "Whenever you cast a legendary spell, draw a card"? ---ddh Because we have the legendary lands. :) ---Lorgalis |
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| Natural Foundation |
This makes me want a fortification that supports artifact decks, which could take advantage of the colorless mana from Construction Site. ---Seeonee Eh, I see this just as a way to more easily utilize a useful fortification, like Deonar's Idol or whatever (or make Pleasure Garden free...) ---Dragoon Bumped this up to a cost reduction of 2. ---Seeonee Don't you mean "up to 2 less?" ---DDH Wow, I can't believe that's the correct wording. They don't say "up to 1 less" to clarify things like Ornithopter. Weird. Fixed. ---Seeonee Activate. ---ddh |
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| Wooded Camp |
Ironically, this one looks like it will end up staying...exactly as it was submitted. Wooded Camp -> Wooded Camp. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Underworld Font |
Love it. Plays nicely with Might of the Empire! :P ---Lorgalis I think this would need some sort of mana to activate it, like 3 or something. Otherwise you're spending a one-time 8 mana for an Urza's Factory that you never have to pay to activate. Also, who made this? There's no credit in the copyright line. ---Dragoon Well, that's why it's rare. It also requires a land (two cards involved = two targets to disrupt) and doesn't make mana for you until it goes live. We discussed the play/fortify costs, but they can be balanced through playtesting. ---Seeonee But this technically goes online before the Factory and it costs less to use. Drop this turn 5, fortify and make a guy on turn 6. The factory doesn't start making guys until turn 8, and you have to spend 8 mana to do that. Rare or not, I don't see how this is balanced. ---Dragoon I have no particular issue with it costing, say 2 to activate. ---Gerrard's Mom This is going to be a control card, so 2 on the activation cost should be OK ---Lorgalis Do we really need a cost on this? It's just an expensive presence of Gond (yes, I know that's hardly a good analogy). ---Seeonee I'd say at least a cost of 2. Repeatable 2/2s for 3 is still very good. Repeatable 2/2s for 1, too much, imo. ---Dragoon Yes! I love colorless Spirits :):);) ---DDH Go ahead and put 2 on the activation cost? ---Gerrard's Mom That sounds good. ---Dragoon Aw, man. Can we at least make it 1, since you also have to tap the land? ---Seeonee Fine with me, test it? ---Gerrard's Mom This card is overpowered. Compare it to Urza's Factory. Up the fortify cost greatly or make it so it makes the land into a 2/2 creature instead of pumping them out. ---Robert Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Supply Camp |
Can this be not a camp? Two camps in the cycle seems weird, when all the others have different structure types. ---Seeonee Agreed. We can change it later, though. ---Dragoon Can it be a Port? ---Lorgalis This will probably be renamed Coastal Camp, Supply Camp, or something similar. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Siege Camp |
This will potentially be renamed Siege Camp. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Scout Camp |
The name is awkward. Also, we already have a tower in the cycle (I think they both got voted in during the same round, huh). ---zu Cycle is being moved towards "Something Camp" cardnames. This will probably become Scout Camp or Scouting Camp. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Hierophant's Sword |
As cool as this is, it's the only thing that makes these tokens. And it's an artifact, so there's no tie to any color. I vote we swap it to something else, whether it be Saprolings (same size, but not very fitting) or Wolves (which would require rebalancing). ---Seeonee What about 1/1 white Human Spirit tokens? We could flavor it as the underworld's sword. I don't think of Barbarians with swords anyway. ---DDH Well, we don't currently have 1/1 white Human Spirit tokens anywhere else, so we wouldn't actually be saving on the number of tokens in the set...unless we change all our 1/1 white Human Soldier tokens to 1/1 white Spirit Soldiers. Which I'd actually be cool with, because that sets up a surprising amount of flavor, and I'd be intrigued to see it inevitably pay off. ---Seeonee Oops, I meant to say "black human spirit tokens." ---DDH I really hate this card. But I would suggest we change them to red Human Warrior tokens. Kaemir has 1/1 Soldiers and 2/2 Griffins. Marvindul might as well get 1/1 Warriors and 2/2 Wolves for symmetry's sake. I know that adds a token type, but we can add a card or two that creates them later. ---Dragoon Colorless spirits! Although the ones in discussion now are 2/2...Also, as the Hierophant's sword, Wolves don't seem out of place. ---Gerrard's Mom Proposed change: Hierophant's Sword 4 Legendary Artifact - Equipment Equipped creature gets +2/+2. Whenever equipped creature attacks, put two 2/2 green Wolf tokens into play tapped and attacking. Sacrifice a token: Add R, G, or B to your mana pool. Equip 4. ---Gerrard's Mom We would need different art. ---Seeonee The art we have now doesn't show spirits. I think it works, but there probably are woodland-style sword arts out there. ---Gerrard's Mom Let me rephrase: I don't like the current art, and it gives us an excuse to change it. ---Seeonee Maybe crop the sword out of Onslaught Naturalize? ---Alabran Nah, I'm sure we can find some art that's not from a Magic card. I remember seeing art of a smith and a soldier holding this sword which has smoke coming off it that's turning into a wolf. That might be a place to start, if I can find it again. ---Seeonee I like GM's idea for revamping the card. It seems cleaner, and more useable. -Pastamaster It's been fixed. ---Seeonee Love this as it is right now --Lorgalis We didn't want this one to make G mana too? ---Gerrard's Mom I like the "green creatures, red mana" dichotomy. Red is the color of noncreature mana, anyways :D ---Seeonee Just noticed, this should be Hierophant's, i before e except after c :P ---Gerrard's Mom Are we happy with the power level of this card at mythic? ---Seeonee I think we can lower the equip cost to 3. Also, shouldn't it specify creature token? What other type of token is there? ---Dragoon We don't know yet, but it could happen. There are artifact tokens (which happen to be creatures, so far). ---Seeonee I like it as it is (wolf tokens are flavourful, unless the sword is related to Hadra?). We could lower equip cost by one, IMO. ---Lorgalis Imperial Mask makes enchantment tokens. Actually, people that make land tokens would be a cool way to represent the mana bonds that the Pantheon has. ---Gerrard's Mom I've always wanted to make land tokens, although I realize that making tons of Forest tokens is problematic, since tokens feel like they impact the word, making it look much more complicated than it really is. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| A'garom, Caller of Heroes |
Avoids being parasitic, I think, based on the fact that a) he tutors for more things that his grandeur can affect, and b) "Discard a card: I am invulnerable" is still pretty decent with no other candidates but him on the board. ---Seeonee Agreed. ---Dragoon Could he be changed to any counter, not just skill counters? ---Gerrard's Mom I thought we was supposed to tutor legends AND experience creatures? I don't think he's overly parasitic hitting only skill counters, since that's already a bonus on what could survive as a "legends matter" card. ---Seeonee Fetching experience dudes would make more sense to me. Room for the text? ---Gerrard's Mom Are we saying fetching experience guys in addition to legendary creatures, or replacing legendary fetching? I like the idea of only fetching experience dudes. Would still keep the flavor of recruiting worthy warriors. ---Pastamaster He is now fixed. ---Seeonee More than A'garom and Ivar, I think A'garom and the Aegis are possibly a little too close? I know his flavor is cool, but what about getting creatures with some power or color limitation? ---Gerrard's Mom If we completely changed A'garom, we'd fix the problem of him overlapping both Ivar and the Aegis. ---Seeonee Bringing this up again. IIRC, A'garom calling legends is a huge part of his story? This guy just doesn't seem too good, he's really narrow. The grandeur at least needs to change. Can we have him get creatures: a) with less power than he has b) that are green or white c) with some CMC limitation? and change the grandeur to put a creature (or multiple) from your hand into play? ---Gerrard's Mom Putting a creature from hand into play would be a good grandeur. And I think he should fetch creatures w/ CMC 3 or less so he doesn't end up fetching more copies of himself for silly shenanigans. ---Dragoon So fetch cheap dudes, grandcast Dramatic Entrance in rainbow? Got it. ---Seeonee I actually think he should get guys bigger than himself, either in power or CMC terms. That sounds more like calling heroes, and makes his grandeur much sexier. ---Gerrard's Mom Woah, when did he get bumped up to CMC 5? I really liked his aggressive CMC 4, as we don't have a story line legend at that CMC. As for fetching CMC higher than his, yeah, I guess, but there are still a lot of legends he would miss. But I guess that makes more sense. ---Dragoon I bumped his cost up, figuring a 4/4 for 4 with a tutor effect was too much; look at the Eos dudes from Alara. I went ahead and made him 4 again, while also changing it to tutor CMC 5 and up. ---Seeonee Yeah, but Ranger of Eos tutors upon hitting play and tutors for two creatures. I think it's important for this guy to be aggressive (look at Loxodon Hierarch,) and if it's too much, we can knock him down to a 3/4 or whatever. ---Dragoon I had also forgotten that he tutors on damage, not CIP. ---Seeonee It counter-intuitive that this guys is called Caller of Hearoes while it fetches critters with CMC=3. A lot of Legends (Heroes) have high CMC, and our set is not the exception. Can we change this? ---Lorgalis It will be changed to tutor for CMC 5+, it just hasn't been changed on the render yet. ---Dragoon The render doesn't even have art since it moved to Soft-Step, it doesn't really need to be there right now. ---Gerrard's Mom Speaking of which, Shepherd had some really good art for this when he submitted it. You might want to PM him to see if he can tell you where he got it (or link it to you.) ---Dragoon Good to know, I'll go scanning for it. ---Seeonee Hmm...I'm not a huge fan; the art's a bit painting-y. ---Seeonee Eh, well, I thought it was nice... I'll see what I have and post something maybe... ---Dragoon Given his current white-haired art and his 4/4 body, I question his "Advisor" creature type. Wouldn't he make more sense as a Warrior now? ---Ikeda If we want to use this art. Actually, archer might make even more sense. ---Seeonee Mmmm...Personally I don't like the art. Too manga-like. Can we use something else? Also, given the recruiting flavour it has now, A'garom should stay an advisor. ---Lorgalis Ooo, I like this art too. Agreed on staying an advsior. Advisors can jump into battle too... ---Dragoon I agree with the manga point; I'll see if I can GIMP his face, since that's the most offensive portion. ---Seeonee Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Wolf Raid |
Went ahead and posted the art; if people think it doesn't work (due to the focus on the rider rather than the wolves), I will take it down. My personal opinion is favorable; I think it's a good action shot and conveys a sense of the wolves' sheer aggression and power; the focus on the rider seems more to exaggerate her predicament than to make it her card. ---Seeonee I'm cool with that. ---Gerrard's Mom Battlefield. ---ddh |
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| Luara, Marvindul's Blossom |
Definitely wants flavor, I have no idea who this is supposed to be. ---Gerrard's Mom Why, it's Luara, Marvindul's Blossom, of course ;) ---Dragoon There was a spell in the set which let you untap two lands. She was supposed to cast two of those. ---zu Cast. ---ddh |
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| Avannia's Grace |
T-t-t-typo'd! ---Seeonee This seems like a great ability for the set, are we planning to use it anywhere else? ---Gerrard's Mom Actually, this is a kind of Urge...Maybe we can keep it so it hints at what will appear later on, but it's kinda weird if it's the only card...Maybe we could run a round for a red counterpart? - Lorgalis Similar, but not entirely the same. We can have a red counterpart, I suppose, but I was kinda hoping for a cycle of commons with simple effects for the sake of limited. We can even incorporate creatures into such a cycle... ---Dragoon. Hey! I thought of a cycle too, but I dunno if we have the space in this set to support that. I would go for it, though... - Lorgalis The combat damage trigger is interesting, but I think it could be used for other things if Urge is going to reduce cost based on attacking creatures. The common enchantment cycle could trigger on it, for one. I wonder if this would fit better triggering when creatures damage other creatures, not players? Not that it's bad now, this card just sticks out in my mind as something that is uncomfortably close to another slated mechanic, and I wonder if there is a way to either unify them or make them more distinct. ---Gerrard's Mom Let's wait to factor Urge in until we discuss the implications of keywording "Affinity for attackers." If Wizards themselves goofed affinity, I have concerns about a retread. ---Seeonee Cast. ---ddh |
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| Kaiver, Nemerion's General |
Again with the 2/3 p/t. Maybe make it a 3/3? ---Dragoon (I assume?) Did a search; at 2/3, we have: 2 blue rares 2 black rares 1 white uncommon 1 green common So it probably wouldn't hurt to change one each of the black and blue cards. ---Seeonee I think this guy would rather be a 3/3. ---Dragoon Or a 3/2. --- zu Yeah, or a 3/2. ---Dragoon 3/2 is probably easier to deal with, since he's a beasty guy in combat. ---Seeonee Agreed. ---Dragoon Could fit flavor. ---Seeonee "If we insist on fighting endless wars, then perhaps only Death himself deserves to rule." - Ithmion, philosopher ---Ikeda Wording tweaked so it's clear he doesn't RFG himself when he dies. Also, I still have worries about his power level. He's like a Yawgmoth's Will for creatures. Haakon limits you to Knights and burns you each time he dies. ---Seeonee Yawgmoth's Will is broken simply because it's a combo enabler which this is not. He's strong, no doubt, but he's very much in flavor and quite balanced, imo. He's also actually less of an engine than Haakon simply because he can't keep coming back like Haakon does. ---Dragoon Okay. Maybe I'm just still shaking from flappy's precon that pairs him with Hero Tillers. ---Seeonee :D --flappy Cast, exile. ---ddh |
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| Cavus, Hadra's Maw |
I'm glad to see this card finally made it into the set. :) - flappy Thanks! :D ---Seeonee Sorry to be so picky but...This guy is BATMAN (look at those pointy "ears"!!!). Maybe a darker, more beastly version, but batman still. I think we should change the picture. - Lorgalis This might fit a specter also. ---Gerrard's Mom I like the art :/ Specters kill cards from hand. ---Seeonee Anyone else notice the modern-day building in the background? :P ---Dragoon Maybe skyscrapers originated in the Grecian underworld :P Oh the wonders they gave us. Seriously, though: has anyone seen *more* appropriate art? ---Seeonee Well, I haven't really been looking, but since you offered... ;) ---Dragoon The building in the background does not take away from the flavor. It's not per se a skyscraper, but maybe a tower. And in classic times they build towers. Also, I didn't recognize this as batman. The bats flying around him could be symbolic for the creature cards in the graveyard that give him power. It's fine as is. -flappy Sorry to reiterate, but this is batman in Gotham City...I'll try to find some alternate art; IMO we should really change the art here. ---Lorgalis Agreed... ---Dragoon Just posted 4 diferent arts to go with this card on the flavour thread... ---Lorgalis *+1 for thoughtness?? cannot be played if there is no creature in the graveyard. ---Tylert_fr |
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| Perennial Well |
There were some good suggestions for this. Searching lands out of your library (what if it cycle the land it was attached to back into library?), or giving it a sacrifice ability. This is admittedly pretty bad. ---Gerrard's Mom Agreed, but we have a good card seed. I'm a fan of keeping it "simple," and keeping it as cheap as possible for fort.dec. If we add a sac ability it should be something like "3, Sacrifice fortified land: Draw a card." Tutoring from the library would work if the card itself cost 1/2, and/or if the land CIPT'd. ---Seeonee This is now just a better Journeyer's Kite that is pointlessly a formation. Recommend changing it to allow you to sacrifice fortified land and search out a different land on upkeep. And the old flavor text about wells was better. ---Gerrard's Mom I guess we could give it "T, Sacrifice fortified land: Tutor to play and attach." Seems really boring at that point, though. ---Seeonee I would like to give it the Zuran Orb tech. Sacrifice fortified land: You gain 2 life. With fortify 0, it acts the same as Zuran Orb at sorcery speed. --flappy Yes, in fact it would just be a 3 cost Zuran Orb at sorcery speed that is still pointlessly a formation. It needs to do something to the land it fortifies, and I don't think it should have fortify 0. Other ideas: On upkeep, search another of fortified land into your hand. (Good with grandeur lands!) Fortified land gains "T, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a land card and put it into play." (Crop Rotation forever). Fortified land gains "T, Sacrifice this land: You gain 2 life." (With a fortification cost not 0, and losing the ability it has now.) ---Gerrard's Mom We've fixed this; it now lifegains on upkeep based on lands that share a type with fort'd land. ---Seeonee Hum. This is fairer than the other one, but it doesn't have combo portential. May be a more secure bet, though. ---Lorgalis This card is extremely overpowered. Without mana excel you can start gaining 4 life per turn on turn 4 this followed by a wrath of god would cripple any aggro deck. ---Robert You have to fortify it, so turn 5 if you're just playing lands, and even then it's best in mono-colored decks with basics. No worse than Wall of Reverence. ---Gerrard's Mom Turn 1: land, Llanwar elves Turn 2: land, Rampant growth Turn 3: land, Perennial Well, fortify Turn 4 and every turn after: Gain 4 or more life by having an upkeep ---DDH |
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| Island |
Most powerful card in all of magic. It needs to be nerfed. With just one of these you can cast Ancestral Recall!!!!!!!! ---Robert |
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| Shellprism Spire |
Removed the unattach cost. ---Seeonee Would it be overpowered to take off the Until EOT clause? X: Fortified land becomes an X/X creature in addition to it's other types. Don't forget it already costs 6 only to attach. Pumping mana in it every turn really kills it's playability. --flappy Just memory issues if you can use it turn after turn to make lands into big men. I am hoping to get better fortification creature makers in the next set. ---Gerrard's Mom Then it should stop being a creature when unfortified. It becomes X/X as long as it's fortified. That is very clear templating, and double-fortifying to keep it alive is tempting, but rare. --flappy Might want to change this entirely given the cycle of fort manlands that I am requesting in Pax Round 7 right now. ---Gerrard's Mom |
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| Ancient Battlefield |
Quote attribution needs to be fixed (soft return.) ---Dragoon |
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| Plains |
I think this is my favorite basic land. Are we only going to worry about one artwork for each land or can we try to find more? I'd really like to find 4 cool artworks for each land if possible... ---Dragoon We could try to find more, although I had a harder time than I thought. If we do get 4 each, I'll have to make Multiverse handle "reprints" somehow. ---Seeonee Please keep it at one single art per card for now, until we find a better solution for the reprinting part. --flappy One is fine, who even sees the art other than when browsing Multiverse? ---Gerrard's Mom I suppose, though Shepherd mentioned a while back that when we finish and polish this set, he wanted a forum-wide draft of it, and it would be cool if we could provide art for every single card. Not sure if he's still up for it or not, though. ---Dragoon |
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| Kaemir, Jewel of the Empire |
Wow, "Legendary" was typoed in all of these text lines. Also, because the renders weren't exported from my set file, my set file doesn't have the artist credits. ---Seeonee This cycle's been changed to grandcast various semi-iconic 2 CMC spells. Playtesting had shown that they were broken with the ability to tutor. ---Seeonee This one grandcasts Mana Tithe. ---Alabran Should have a 1-line flavour text as Sunken city of Avelion. Could be a question related to the land's abilities too? ---Lorgalis "The birthplace of victory." ---Seeonee Who would dare to surpass victory? ---Ikeda I like "The birthplace of victory." And I think each card in this cycle should have a short little one-liner for flavor text. ---Dragoon Ikeda's trying to sustain the cycle of one-liners that are also inquiries. The others all have question marks, so we need to tweak it somehow. "What limits bind those who rise from the birthplace of victory." ? ---Seeonee Further than that, actually: I was speculating on giving the five cards some combination of Who/What/Where/When/How/Why quotes, so that each one is a different question. Alternatively, they can all have the same basic interrogative structure - maybe all "How?" questions, or all "What?" questions. ---Ikeda I like the idea of making Who/What/Where/When/How/Why questions. Fits nicely. ---Lorgalis Could work, although space limitations already impose heavily on the possible flavortexts. ---Seeonee |
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| Nurgren, Cliffs of Horror |
Creative Comment: I really like that this is an Island and yet isn't an Island and has nothing to do with them. ---DDH Ironically, I was going to mention how counter-intuitive it is. ---Seeonee No, I agree, I somehow left out a "don't" in that sentence. ---DDH I don't think it's gonna be a huge problem. Changing that would require reworking a large part of the set's story and flavor and I don't think it would be worth it. Just because it's an island doesn't mean it has to be a "Basic Lands - Island." ---Dragoon "Nurgren, Cliffs of Horror"? ---Ikeda Again, we'd have to change a lot of the flavor profiles and the story that are already in place. That's a lot of change for really an insignificant issue, imo. ---Dragoon Not really. Renaming it to omit the specific word "Island" doesn't mean the locale itself becomes less of an island. Ikeda's suggestion of "Cliffs" is a great example of how it could be done. ---Seeonee Eh, I suppose. Might have to find a new picture though... :( ---Dragoon I dunno, it has a kind of "King Kong" tribal cliffs look, if you squint :D ---Seeonee Haha ---Dragoon Nurgren, Realm of Horror? I can't the see the cliffs on that wonderful art...:P ---Lorgalis Realm would work, too. ---Seeonee ...Or we could adjust the art. :) ---Ikeda Change to Realm or Land of Horror? ---Lorgalis This has been changed to grandcast "Add BR to target player's mana pool." ---Alabran These grand abilities don't seem grand enough to me. Also, why do cyclopses care about mana? Here's my suggestion: "Discard another card named ~: Target player loses life equal to the amount of damage they took this turn." ---DDH This should go to Deisdiane, and when it does, why isn't it "Target player adds..."? ---Gerrard's Mom Mana abilities can't target. See Valleymaker and Spectral Searchlight. ---Seeonee I think this should be switched with the R/G one. ---Dragoon Seems to be the verdict. Changing them offline. ---Seeonee Should have a 1-line flavour text as Sunken city of Avelion. Could be a question related to the land's abilities too? Also, change the Cliffs for Realm, Land, Grounds or Barren? ---Lorgalis What about "Nurgren, the Scarred Grounds?" As for flavor, I think this one fills its textbox nicely. ---Seeonee Why must the weak be suffered to live? ---Ikeda Ooooh, good tweak. "What claim have the weak to life?" just has that nice ring to it. ---Ikeda Thank you :) Incidentally, when I put yours into the file and then tweak them, I have to remember to post them so they're obvious and can be discussed. ---Seeonee |
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| Vessalia, the Elder Wood |
What would the power level be if this cycle put lands into play (tapped, perhaps) instead of to the hand? As it is it's much slower than any other rare dual. ---Seeonee I was going to bring that up. As is, they're only marginally better than the Invasion taplands, and that's only if you see another copy during a game. I was going to suggest either they don't come into play tapped, or they put the searched land into play, either tapped or untapped. Maybe both, cuz they're really lacking a WOW factor right now. ---Dragoon They haven't yet used legendary-ness as a balance for dual lands, which makes me think we could remove the CIPT part and they wouldn't be broken. If we leave the second half the way it is, it just means "While this is in play, other copies of this you draw are either Islands or Plains." ---Seeonee Yeah, but that still doesn't seem cool enough. I think they could put the searched lands into play tapped. I mean, at best, you're probably only going to activate it an average of maybe 2 times per game (without Life from the Loam shenanigans...) I don't think it would be too powerful. ---Dragoon First, the render is awesome!. Second: what level of power do we want? If we want real fetchlands, they should come into play untapped and put the land into play tapped. If they "fetched" the land untapped, that could mean 2 untapped lands on turn one, which I think is too much. Also, Life of the Loam + this would be really degenerate, as you don't need to pay life! (as opposed to real fetchlands, where the lifeloss can be relevant with Life of the Loam tricks). Anyway, you'll probably use the grandeur ability EOT, so it's not such a real difference between them...I would settle for that. --- Lorgalis So... they come into play untapped and put a land into play tapped? ---Dragoon I could dig that. It would make them worthwhile even (especially, compared to other dual lands) if you only draw one. ---Seeonee Sweet. Alright then. ---Dragoon This has been changed to grandcast Reknit. ---Alabran Awesome. ---Gerrard's Mom Disagree with the awesome comment. Doesn't seem grand at all to me. ---DDH Whoa, did I even say that? IIRC it may have been referring more generally to all of the lands changing from basic search to effects. The only other thing I can think of off hand is a Disenchant/Naturalize effect. ---Gerrard's Mom How about "Destroy all artifacts and enchantments?" ---Dragoon Hum...I dunno. Keep in mind Life from the Loam. IMO this is good as it is. Maybe we could change it to destroy target artifact or land, but I dunno if we already have too much hate. ---Lorgalis Another option is life gain. We're still wanting to push that, yes? Maybe "You gain 4 life?" ---Dragoon That was discussed as the first idea; I think we had trouble balancing it without over- or underpowering it. ---Seeonee Just realized that we have a "Semplice, the Roaring Wood" and a "Vessalia, the Elder Wood". Is this an issue for us? ---Ikeda Hmmm... Possibly. ---Dragoon Room for flavor. Also, could easily be retitled "Vessalia, the Elder Grove" to avoid Semplice overlap. ---Seeonee Is that not too similar to the Sacred Glen? ---Dragoon I guess? Could also use Elder Forest, Elder Grounds, uh... ---Seeonee Should have a 1-line flavour text as Sunken city of Avelion. Could be a question related to the land's abilities too? ---Lorgalis I'm still not sold on the grandeur ability. Maybe gaining life would be bad with Loam... how about "Creatures you control are indestructible this turn?" ---Dragoon I dunno, we seem to have a lot of indestructible effects. What about "regenerate all creatures you control?" That's a two-mana spell as well as an effect that sits in both white and green comfortably. ---Seeonee No more indestructible yeah. I think regenerating one guy is fine, it will often be worth it, but we can try it with all creatures. ---Gerrard's Mom I dunno, it just seems kinda underwhelming to me... ---Dragoon Regenerating everybody is cool. Plenty of times to use it, and it's related to combat. Appropriately antithetical to Nurgren. ---Gerrard's Mom When does wisdom truly come of age? ---Ikeda |
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| Sacred Glen of Deisdiane |
This has been changed to grandcast Rain of Embers. ---Alabran Why not artifact destruction? I don't see the green part of that. ---Gerrard's Mom The first thought was to have it Grandcast Simoon, but it was speculated that that would be too powerful on a land, so we made it symmetrical and added in 1 to players. ---Alabran I think that this one should have the mana grandeur ability. I also think it should give more mana. Maybe ggrr? Or maybe, to fit with the other suggestions, "gain an amount of red or green mana equal to the amount of damage target player took this turn." ---DDH Do you really want to be able to play Deus of Calamity first turn? ---Alabran I think this should switch with the B/R one. ---Dragoon. Should have a 1-line flavour text as Sunken city of Avelion. Could be a question related to the land's abilities too? ---Lorgalis "What power lies in the essence of life?" ---Ikeda |
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| Sildr's Refuge |
Mmmmm...Unless I am missing something, this doesn't look specially awesome to me. Tap 3 lands to produce 2 mana??? It's difficult to break (Karoos, Heartbreak of Spring, untap effect that doesn't cost mana); IMO we could reduce both costs by one? EDIT: Has nice synergy with Luara, but appart from that...meh. ---Lorgalis It's actually slightly incorrect; the real cost to play is 6 but it only requires that you tap a single land for its effect. That means the fortified land can produce 2^X mana, where X is the number of other lands you control. ---Seeonee No creator attribution here. ---Dragoon GM and I collab'd on the card during hole-filling. For sake of memory, I added it to the render. As we move more towards creation by committee, we might want to just start attributing group efforts to WMtS. ---Seeonee That was going to be my next suggestion. ---Dragoon Barring some further explanation as to who Sildr is, I might want this name changed. Something about being the focus of the world and stuff. The flavor is cool. ---Gerrard's Mom Possible. I do hope to flesh him out as a major character of AEsir block. ---Seeonee |
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| Builder's Vision |
I just want to say that I absolutely adore this flavor text. ---Dragoon Ditto. ---Seeonee Wow. Same. ---Alabran The card is kind of underwhelming... Perhaps we could make this tutor a fort into play attached to a land, a la Leiran? ---Seeonee IMO this is perfect, specially considering Steelshaper's Gift! ---Lorgalis Yeah I think it's fine. ---Gerrard's Mom Uh did we lose comments again? ---Gerrard's Mom |
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| Flawless Substratum |
Bit of redundancy between this and Pleasure Garden. Both serve as a common means to make a fortified land tap for rainbows. I'm not saying they obsolete each other, just that they touch the same headspace via two different card types. ---Seeonee I'd actually vote to see this one go. I feel they do step on each other's toes, and I'd rather keep the fortification. ---DDH I think they serve two different purposes. I can see this one finding a home in some obscure fortification control deck. I think they're both useful and needed. ---Dragoon Sweet art, but I don't know what it has to do with the title of the card, which sounds like an excavation of nice minerals or something. Whatever is fine, but maybe there would be a cooler use for the art later. ---Gerrard's Mom Or we could change the name if we can't find good underground art. ---Dragoon Needs flavor, as well as a final name/art decision. I personally think we have a bit of redundancy in our "lands that want to be fortified." This goes rainbow when fort'd, Pleasure Garden rainbows whatever it forts, the Foundation lets you fort it cheaply but then nothing happens...forts don't do that much to begin with, we should really focus on making them USEFUL before we make them easy to use. ---Seeonee We don't have to have flavor text on every single card that could feasibly have it. This looks like a text box that would be printed without flavor. I like the idea that you find unexpected riches when you build something here. Prime Lode or something like that. Anything with shiny stones should work. ---Gerrard's Mom |
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| Ruined Temple |
I know we changed the card already. But now it is very similar to a blue legend we have in the set. ---zu We could weaken it further, to 'Fortified land has "T: Look at the top card of target player's library."', and cut the Fortify cost to zero. ---Ikeda I really want this to have something to do with Oracles. . . ---DDH I like that idea. ---Dragoon "Divinitory Pool" is the first thing that comes to mind. But "Watchtower" was the first thing that struck me as a link between the card's ability and the fortification designation. ---Ikeda It can't be "Tower of the Oracle" or "Sarai's Pedestal" (I know she lives in a cave) or something like that? Should be some way to make towers for divining. ---Gerrard's Mom Like the idea of someone linking it to Sarai. Maybe a ruin in which she's made her cave-home? ---Seeonee What about just Ruined Tower, with Sarai-related flavor text? ---Gerrard's Mom That could work, although I wish for a better epithet than Tower. ---Seeonee "Ruined Perch"? ---Ikeda "Ruined Temple"! That has the perfect flavor, and allows it to work as a random oracle's disused site, or as Sarai's underwater scrying pool. And we can finally rename the rare Temple to Pantheons for great flavor! Yes? ---Seeonee Also, this comment needs to be renamed to match the new card name. ---Seeonee What about Ruined Helepolis--a greek army tower? ---DDH This is actually Sarai's grotto-shrine thing, so that wouldn't work very well. ---Seeonee I think that art I pulled up in chat the other day would have been perfect for this. Did you save that, Seeonee? The one with the cliffs and columns by the ocean. ---Gerrard's Mom I did :). ---Seeonee Sweet, I'm glad someone's on top of things ;) ---Gerrard's Mom Art added. ---Seeonee While I very much like the card, I am a bit worried. Being able to target your opponent repeateadly is overpower IMO. What about adding a cost, making it only target you, or making this uncommon? ---Lorgalis Adding a cost of 1 would probably balance it. ---Seeonee |
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| Lainara's Vanguard |
For the glory of Menoth! So that's where this Marek Okon artwork is coming from (Warmachine). Anyway, it's cool, I will randomly point out here that, to my eyes, it looks like "We Make the Set' has a " at the beginning and a ' at the end on the type line. ---Gerrard's Mom Awesome art here! ---Lorgalis Not sure I understand GM's second comment. ---Seeonee I'm not sure, but I think the quotes around We Make the Set in the copyright line don't match. ---Gerrard's Mom Ah! See what you mean now. Fixed. Although I don't think it auto-updates the copyright line. ---Seeonee Now costs 4W to allow room for Kaemirian Healer at 3W. ---Seeonee It's been suggested this be a 2/4; I disagree. We already have one in Vessalian Shoreguard, and looking at other historic white vigilance commons, this card balances fine. It's an Ardent Militia trading 2 toughness for an extremely relevant, repeatable life gain ability. Does it really need more toughness? The only counterargument I can think of is Jedit's Dragoons, which cost 1 more but are 2/5 with fairly decent lifegain. I would have no problem pushing this up to 5W and making it bigger. ---Seeonee We also had two other 2/3s, didn't we? Just a thought, I don't really mind as it is. ---Gerrard's Mom I hate to nitpick, but I've noticed a problem with every render that has a quote attribute. If you just hit [enter] and then type the attribute, it leaves more of a gap than it should. You have to hit [shift] + [enter] to get a "soft" return to make the attribute look correct. Up to you if you want to change them. ---Dragoon Damp towels are commonly referred to in Aegis? ---Gerrard's Mom I didn't know about that, Dragoon, but I will change them; I like the renders to be correct. As for GM's comment: I wrote the flavortext and couldn't think of anything better to put. Suggestions welcome, on that word or the whole blurb. ---Seeonee Taking the idea: "Men facing death at our hands are easily misled by the promises of their false gods." - Connor, Sword of Alisia (that was a suggested title change for him) ---Gerrard's Mom Heh, I think this is the only one where you forgot to fix the quote ;) ---Dragoon Aha, noted. I'll pop out a new render for it next time I'm at my computer. ---Seeonee |
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| Deonar's Monument |
Repeat - Trample for forest please? ---Gerrard's Mom I'm okay with that. It's not like you can't fortify a new land if the old one dies. Do we want to make the avatar bigger? Although all the 5s have a nice aesthetic. ---Seeonee |
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| Asfaloth's Rage |
The more I think about this, the more I feel that it's a tad undercosted; it combines too well with anything whose ability is a disadvantage. I would suggest doing one of the following: * Raise the mana cost to 2R. * Make this an "Enchant creature you don't control". * Adjust the bonus to +2/+0. Thoughts? ---Ikeda I dunno, what, Deadgrip Cyclops? I think the Flickerflame combo is what makes the cards, and really like them at these costs. There are a number of risks associated with being made vanilla, in particular Unsung Fate, as well as a majority of creatures with useful abilities that you would lose when playing this, so it should balance. I think it is a key part of promoting the vanilla theme. ---Gerrard's Mom The +2/+0 suggestion is the nicest, although then it seems overcosted. Maybe +3/+0 and vanilla for 1R, if it seems to be an issue? Then Flickerflame's only a 13/1 :D ---Seeonee I still think this is fine as is, compare Giant Strength. Finding the rare cases where losing abilities is good is fun, but doesn't really make it broken, and as I said before, in our set often makes it more vulnerable. ---Gerrard's Mom Added flavor. ---Seeonee I'd like to see this as "Either you pray for strength, or you stop wasting my god's time.", but the current version is already short and sweet. ---Ikeda |
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| Sena's Trickery |
I think I reworded this a la Cytoshape. Anyways, I love this card as a blue common. ---Seeonee This had "Draw a card" on it, I'm sure. --- zu I don't remember that. I think it's pretty good as is, but if we need another blue cantrip, this is a pretty good candidate. ---Dragoon I checked and zu_Faul's original submission did cantrip. I see no real reason for or against it; it doesn't feel underpowered as-is or overpowered without it. I think it is worth mentioning that while the cantrip might convince you to use it earlier, this card will always be fantastic in the situations it's built for: slipping a Thief Novice in, then cranking its power up off their Darksteel Colossus. ---Seeonee Or, your own Fickleflame. --- zu Wow. I think you just won the combo game! ---Seeonee Yay, Fickleflame stays the same! And cantripping could be okay. ---Dragoon After testing with GM, I suggest this card's wording change to "Target creature's power becomes equal to another target creature's power until end of turn." That way the cantrip can't be fizzled so easily. ---Alabran Disagree. It currently uses Cytoshape's wording. That means it only targets the creature whose power is changing, and therefore only fizzles if that creature dies. ---Seeonee There was no reason to make Cytoshape more difficult to fizzle because if the changing creature would die, there would be no effect anyway. There have been other cards worded this way where destroying both targets are necessary. Soul's Fire is one recent example. ---Alabran Let me double check: are you arguing for or against making this easily disrupted? ---Seeonee What is up with the line breaks recently, it has become very hard to read. Anyhow, he is arguing against making it easy to disrupt, mainly so that you get the card even if one of the dudes is removed in response. This came up when he kept casting Agony Warp on my poor Flickerflames and Thief Novices. ---Gerrard's Mom Alright, I got my script working, but I still don't know why it no longer line wraps properly. Anyone more well versed in HTML have a clue? ---Seeonee Nevermind, it was those funny characters in Freshwater Nymph's comment. ---Seeonee About this spell: the current wording is hardest to disrupt. Only way to make it harder would be having the spell target nothing, and that's not fair. ---Seeonee |
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| Lainara's Touch |
"For each 1 damage prevented this way, put an experience counter on that creature." ---Seeonee Here's another creative comment--I feel this is a better candidate for the title of "Holy Lesson." ---DDH Hmmm... I like both of those suggestions. But I also like the name "Lainara's Touch" and I hope we use it in a later set :) ---Dragoon Mmm..I feel that lainar's touch is better, as Lainara is goddes of healing stuff...Agreed with the other change though. ---Lorgalis This could wind up getting pretty silly, now that we are focusing on Experience more. ---Alabran Well, no one really plays prevention spells. In experience decks, cards like this might actually become amazingly high picks. ---Seeonee Maybe the last sentence is better worded as: "If damage to a creature is prevented this way, put that many skill counters on that creature." --flappy Hostility says this should be worded: "Put a skill counter on that creature for each damage prevented this way." ---Lorgalis But Test of Faith says otherwise. ---Alabran Indeed, this could use almost exactly the text of Test of Faith. "Prevent the next 3 damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn, and put a skill counter on that creature for each 1 damage prevented this way." There may be an issue with it preventing damage to players, I think that should be dropped. ---Gerrard's Mom |
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| Urban Sewers |
I like the idea of Urban Sewers, personally. ---Dragoon |
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